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Posted by erdite
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10/06/2005
08:25:16

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Subject: Greatest player of all time?

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I dont mean who was technicially the best or who had the most tournament wins, but who is
your favorite.
Ive recentley found a website(chessgames.com)in which you can play through the moves of
almost every game ever recorded, and although a lot of the chess was well over my head, I
found out which players style I liked and which I didnt. Supprisingley I thaugut Fischer was
rather boring(like chelsea today). But my favorite was clearley Kasparov, his attacking
sacrificial style and deep combinations are stunning.
Let us know if you have different favorites and what you think of them


Posted by bucklehead
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10/06/2005
11:30:44

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I've said it before and I'll say it again:

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Milan Vidmar

BTW there are several more sites with historical games than chessgames.com. That one is certainly easy to navigate; but I'd point you toward www.chesslab.com, which has very many more games in its database.


Posted by velvetvelour
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10/06/2005
14:05:44

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I've said it not once, so I'll probably repeat it:

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David Bronstein is my favorite player, the first player to qualify as a WCC contender under FIDE's new zonal/interzonal system back then to challenge Botvinnik in 1950, and came within a hair of stealing the title.

Besides which, I find his games to be filled with boundless creativity and they are a real treat to play over. He wasn't the flashiest, most daring or combinative player, but his games are like sonnets written to opening novelty, concertos on how to conduct an elegant middle-game, and symphonies in the endgame. I particularly liked his treatment on the white side of Sicilian and French Defences, and his dabbling with openings off the beaten path, like the Dutch and Alekhine Defence, both of which he employed in very serious matches. His game anthology, "The Sorceror's Apprentice," is a real joy to read; besides the games, many anecdotes and personal reminisces from his playing days abound, peppered with impressions of his peers and other players he met in life. His love for chess was as pure and infectuous as Tal's, and he was a real gentleman. A nice change of pace from many sterile and imperious game collections out there, and rampaging egos.

My favorite pre-war chess player is Harry Nelson Pillsbury, an American original and a real heavyweight contender in skill, an original thinker cut down too early in life. A Lasker--Pillsbury WC Match is one of the great missed opportunities of chess.
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Posted by nima_tal
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10/06/2005
16:16:44

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Well speaking of Bronstein, here is one of his amazing games:
-> www.chessgames.com
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Posted by tag1153
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10/07/2005
23:03:39

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My vote.......

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.......is for Mikhail Tal. Many great players out there to be sure, but Tal's offensive prowess still makes me just say "Wow! How did he ever figure that position out???"
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Posted by brilliance
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10/08/2005
01:54:11

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Nimzovitch

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Although time- and trenddependent, I really salute Nimzovitch for his extensive "My System". There isn't many chessplayers that have had to fight so much for their beliefs like Nimzovitch. This man, with almost the entire chess-elite against him, created his own system and played after it with great success. I have always liked the thought, not only in chess, that you can create a system and deduce your every move to that system and the consequences that follows.

Nimzovitch should always be remember for his great works and his provocative style plus his belief in his own system- a true role-model. At least for me.
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Posted by tyekanyk
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10/08/2005
23:40:00

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Capablanca

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Because he didn't have to spend most of his life learning the game, it just came naturally to him. Also his games represent the epitomy of chess strategy and endgame technique.
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Posted by ccmcacollister
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10/10/2005
02:18:47

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It's got to be ...

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. . . Fritz !?
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Posted by daverundle
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10/10/2005
02:43:27

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greatest player

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My personal favourite has to be Tal although tyekanyk's choice has to be a very close 2nd & what about Morphy?

Posted by wulebgr
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10/10/2005
08:58:34

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I've long been fond of Lasker, but the new strongest ever player is Topalov!!

Posted by daverundle
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10/10/2005
10:22:53

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players

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Wasn't he in fiddler on the roof?

Posted by mattdw
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10/11/2005
15:42:57

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@nima_tal, that Bronstein game is strange! It's impressive how he resists the lure of a material advantage in favour of a superior positional advantage (or at least to force mate).

Posted by velvetvelour
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10/11/2005
15:53:29

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I know, back in the days when one could afford to gamble against the single-minded materialism of computers, and Bronstein did this more than once. He was one of the first ranked masters to regularly play against computer programs throughout the 60s-80s, and they often exploded with fireworks, instead of the necessary "anti-computer" strategies today which often at best eke out a draw.

Posted by armeggedon
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10/15/2005
16:56:24

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Strogest ever Player

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Take a look at jeff Sonas website Chessmetrics its facinating and gives an indicator of how to judge the best over short or long periods of time with his rating system he beleives is superior to E.L.O. According to him the players who most dominted chess for long periods were Steinitz Lasker, Botvinnik, Karpov, and Kasparov, but Fischer the highest rated ever over the period of 71-72. My personal favourite whose games are thrilling to play over is Paul Morphy who is the best postional player along with Karpov whose games I have ever looked at. Its got to be Morphy for me chaps.

Posted by pawntificator
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10/16/2005
04:22:57

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Tough one

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I used to love Morphy as well, but these days, though he is well hated, I have to tip my hat to Fischer. No one can do what he does with those little wooden pieces on those tiny little squares. I predict he will re-enter the chess scene one last time, and soon.

Posted by erdite
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10/16/2005
07:50:05

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Answer the question Armeggedon

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I did say"I dont mean who was technicially the best" so whatever different rating systems say
is irrelevent to the question I asked.


Posted by nyyankees
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10/20/2005
11:16:20

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Fischer


Posted by lynxchess
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10/20/2005
11:50:29

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IM Rashid Nezhmetdinov

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I would rank IM Rashid Nezhmetdinov (USSR) as a very improbable choice. You can find some of his games and information here: -> www.chessmaniac.com
-> nezhmetdinov.homestead.com
-> www.angelfire.com
Besides his incessant ability to make deep combinations, he was also a purveyor of opening novelties, the best known being his 1954 origination of the Poisoned Pawn line in the Najdorf Sicilian.
As former World Champion Mikhail Tal wrote: "With the passage of time tournament tables tend to lose interest, but some games played in these tournaments live forever, and in this respect Nezhmetdinov is one of the most richly endowed players. I have played four games with the Tatar master and the score is 3-1 in his favor."
Finally, Nezhmetdinov was 5 times Russian chess champion, and probably stronger in CHECKERS!!!
If not one of the best, surely one of the originals.
LynxChess


Posted by ionadowman
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10/21/2005
03:42:37

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The best ever

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Tal, for mine - but that's a matter of taste. Fischer could have been the best ever, but he tossed it in once he reached the heights. (I've always had a questionmark over the Reykyavik match: I'm betting Spassky had mentally packed his bags for home after the 2nd game forfeit...) At the time Fischer was running up his 24 (?) game winning streak, Tal went about 80-odd undefeated. These records are fairly comparable, in my view.
I've always been a fan of the Romantic Adventurer, like Anderssen, Bird, Blackburne, Marshall (!), Keres, Spielmann. But also the offbeat, like Ujtelsky, Suttles, or the Master of Weird: Tigran Petrosian... But I do like Kasparov, especially for his breathing new life into old favorite openings like the Evans' Gambit.


Posted by punkusmartyrus
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10/31/2005
13:43:57

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I like the attack of morphy & the defense of petrosian, but what do I know? :P

Posted by ionadowman
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10/31/2005
23:07:26

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What do you know...?

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About as much as the rest of us I reckon! :-)) Morphy's attack and Petrosian's defence would be hard to go past. I'm inclined to treat the original question as one of aesthetics, hence my choices. I am a bit curious, tho'. No one has championed Botvinnik. I wonder why?

Posted by kansaspatzer
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11/01/2005
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I think the greatest natural talents were either Capablanca or Mir Sultan Khan. However, I have to go with the unoriginal answer of Kasparov here.

Posted by wolstoncroft1
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11/01/2005
22:35:59

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It's TAL

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most sacrificial and exciting player who was ever world champ, was also blitz champ in the late 80's i believe, I know he was at one time, not sure exact date. He had the ability to beat anyone from any era. Look at some of his games... well worth it

Posted by ionadowman
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11/04/2005
23:46:56

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The greatest...

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I gather Kasparov was a great admirer of Alekhine.
From a statistical point of view, here's something from Ray Keene's "Complete Book of Beginning Chess:
Top ELO list - based on peak ratings:
1.Kasparov, 2.Fischer, 3.Karpov, 4.Capablanca, 5.Botvinnik, 6.Lasker
Top lifetime averages list (Keene and Divinsky):
1.Kasparov, 2.Karpov, 3.Fischer, 4.Botvinnik, 5.Capablanca, 6. Lasker
Aye, well. Like wolstoncroft1, I'm a Tal fan. He did win the Blitz world championship, sometime in the '80s I think. I liked his attitude having won it. He said he was glad of the opportunity once more of becoming an ex-world champion...
Cheers,


Posted by oxycera
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11/05/2005
07:50:38

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Well I'll champion Botvinnik, for 'iron will' and depth of understanding.