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Posted by tag1153 mailcafe.net 10/20/2005 20:01:01 Play online chess	Subject: Fischer's return???? Message: An interesting thought was put forth by pawntificator in the "Greatest player of all time" thread. Anyone else think that the mighty Fischer makes one last stand? If so, I wonder who would play him, and why? I, for one, would love to see him make an attempt to regain what was once his. The real question, I think, is who would be the first to tangle with him? Knowing RJF's penchant for the shocking, he would probably demand an immediate shot at the title with no preliminaries (to be played in a swimming pool while wearing cowboy hats while having a Taiwanese literature professor read Faust as the fans throw barracudas into the water). Anybody think he returns????? tag1153
Posted by ccmcacollister mailcafe.net 10/20/2005 21:32:58 Play online chess	I know only this ... Message: He wont wear any cowboy hat! Cowboys are not his friend ... }8-)
Posted by matthew_romoser mailcafe.net 10/20/2005 22:14:31 Play online chess	Fischer is willing to play ... Message: ... vs. Bulgaria's Topalov. Of course, he's insisting on Fischer Random (I assume). If I were Topalov I would meet him halfway. 1/2 of the games Fischer Random, the other 1/2 of the games traditional chess. My source is the "Sofia News Agency". Here is the link! Reading the short article, it appears that Topalov is possibly interested in taking Fischer up on his challenge. -> www.novinite.com Regards, Matt ——— Chess still struggling to capture imagination of the masses in China — China is a unique phenomenon in world chess. The team only began to compete in around 1970 but within 30 years was a serious contender at men's level and No1 in women's chess. Yet the national game remains Chinese chess and the global version has little public support. The secret has been well-directed government backing to identify young talent and provide intensive coaching. China will be going for medals again at next month's world team Olympiad in Russia, although the home squad will be heavy favourites. China has also created its own elite chess tournament at Nanjing, where the top two finishers qualify for a Grand Slam final against world chess champion Vishy Anand and world No1 ...
Posted by ccmcacollister mailcafe.net 11/09/2005 20:04:42 Play online chess	Was thinking Message: about this the other day ... wondering if his challenge to random Chess having anything to do with being rusty on his openings of modern GM praxis? Or just a promotional thing. ——— Rising Chess Stars Open up a Lead at NH Tournament — The saying that a chain is only as strong as its weakest link is also true for chess teams. Unfortunately for the older team at the annual NH Tournament in the Netherlands, it seems to have three weak links right now. After seven rounds, the rising stars lead the experience team 19 to 16. The top chess player for the experience team, Boris Gelfand of Israel, is actually playing very well. He has scored 5 points â€” the most in the competition. Peter Svidler of Russia is playing beneath his ability, but he still has 3.5 points. But the other three experience members â€” Peter Heine Nielsen of Denmark, Loek Van Wely of the Netherlands and Ljubomir Ljubojevic of Serbia â€” each have only 2.5 points. That is ...
Posted by honololou mailcafe.net 11/10/2005 13:53:32 Play online chess	Fischer will never return… Message: and the Beatles are not getting back together either. ——— Two Win Diminished Chess Crowns — Boris Spassky, the future world chess champion, was once world junior champion. So were Anatoly Karpov, Garry Kasparov and Viswanathan Anand, the current world chess champion. It used to be that the world junior championship was an important stepping stone for chess players who had dreams of becoming the best in the world. No longer. While the junior championship, which is open to participants 20 years old or younger, still draws talented chess players, the best of them usually skip the event because they are already among the worldâ€™s elite. Among those who were eligible to play this year, but did not, are Magnus Carlsen of Norway, No. 1 in the world; Sergey Karjakin of ...
Posted by wolstoncroft1 mailcafe.net 11/10/2005 21:42:14 Play online chess	Fischer will come back Message: Fischer could make a lot of money in a match due to his celebrity. And with his financial situation :( he may have to make a comeback for the paycheck. I dont think Fischer wants to comeback, but i guarantee wee see him play again. Also,,, FischerRandom was created in order to prevent opening threory and memorized lines. That's the point of it. Fischer believes that without the exhaustive preperation, opening theory and such that when it comes down to chess that he is the strongest player. I agree... ——— Steinitz's Immortal Chess Game — Enough is enough and you throw in the towel. That's the elegant way to give up in boxing. In chess, there are more ways of resigning a game before you get actually mated. The manner Curt von Bardeleben did it 115 years ago during the legendary chess tournament at the English seaside resort of Hastings, still generates controversy. Having been brilliantly outplayed by William Steinitz, the German count got up from his chair, left the chess tournament hall and disappeared in the streets. Consequently, he lost on time. Von Bardeleben was playing the tournament of his life and in the first nine rounds went undefeated, scoring six wins and three draws. Could a single loss upset him so ...
Posted by hamis mailcafe.net 12/16/2005 09:36:10 Play online chess	Fischer will not return.... Message: because the American immigration officials will make a BIG deal out of it if he ever set his foot out of Iceland. Remember, there is a case hanging like a sword over his head. Even if he plays far from U.S. of A. soil, they will hound the country in which he would play to extradite him to this great country of ours. Look what happened to Japan. But I would surely love to see him play again, warts and all. Maybe he is what is needed by chessdom to pull chess out of its doldrums. ——— The middlegame: The art of a successful attack — A lesson in creative aggression from Luke McShane. Over the last few weeks we have concentrated on the technical precision of endings, and by contrast we now move to a much messier phase of the game of chess â€“ the middlegame and, more specifically, attacking. Often, the knack in playing a successful attack is finding an idea that throws your opponent off balance. Subsequent analysis might prove the idea unsound â€“ in recent years that has frequently happened, with every master move scrutinised by strong computer chess programmes. But so what? Machine analysis is a world away from a competitive situation where the chess clock is ticking and the defender knows that one slip will be ...
Posted by roland_l mailcafe.net 12/16/2005 19:36:50 Play online chess	But .... Message: Rekjavic (sp?) is very nice this time of year I hear ...
Posted by jstack mailcafe.net 12/19/2005 11:09:58 Play online chess	Fischer Match Message: If Fischer does play I match, I would rather see him play Peter Svidler. Svidler has experience with Chess 960(fischer random). He plays the winner of the chess 960 open tournament every year. Currently Peter is #6 in the world, so I think it would be an interesting match.
Posted by jackiechanmate mailcafe.net 12/19/2005 13:35:27 Play online chess	No offense jstack... Message: But do you think there's a market for Fischer playing Peter Svidler? I realize you were just stating your opinion, but even for chess enthusiasts, I don't think Svidler really gets anybody excited. If you're just stating your personal preference, then that's one thing, but if you seriously think Svidler would be the best draw, I think you'd be mistaken. Of course, the possibility of a Fischer return is so minute that everybody here is probably wasting their time in even writing of one.
Posted by tag1153 mailcafe.net 12/19/2005 17:47:20 Play online chess	Upon reflection..... Message: ....I think Fischer is currently playing here on GK under the assumed identity of blackbaron. As I currently own a slim winning record against him, I think it is fair to say that I have achieved Grandmaster status. Gotta go now - this dream is almost over and I will be waking up soon:) Fischerisblackbaron
Posted by ketchuplover mailcafe.net 12/19/2005 18:43:27 Play online chess	Message: I don't think it matters who he plays. He's Fischer. Nuff said.
Posted by anaxagoras mailcafe.net 12/19/2005 21:55:43 Play online chess	Fischer is history Message: 3 words explain why Fischer will not return to serious chess competition: Fear of failure.
Posted by wolstoncroft1 mailcafe.net 12/19/2005 21:57:38 Play online chess	Message: 3 words explain why Fischer WILL return to serious chess competition: Millions of dollars
Posted by daverundle mailcafe.net 12/20/2005 04:22:46 Play online chess	he is unlikely Message: to return as anaxagoras says fear of failure not sure he would have the same aura as he had or the same affect on the new younger generation. honololu you mean to say the beatles are not getting back together?! What about Led Zep? You will be telling us next that there is no santa claus or tooth fairy! Still look on the bright side Take That and the Spice Girls are reforming. Actually that is not the bright side is it!
Posted by buddie mailcafe.net 12/28/2005 07:46:47 Play online chess	Message: Surely the only match worth having would be Fischer-Karpov? I'm probably in a minority but I think Karpov would have won if they had met in 1975 as planned. (Talking of the Beatles - Paul Macartney will be 64 in 2006 so expect a re-release of "when I'm 64" !)
Posted by coyotefan mailcafe.net 12/28/2005 09:11:40 Play online chess	wolstoncroft1 Message: "Millions of dollars"....HUH??? There is no money in chess, ask any GM. Who would put up the $$$. Who would want their product/service associated with a racist, anti-semite, felon nut-case? No American or American based company could legally give the jerk a penny.
Posted by gunnarsamuelsson mailcafe.net 12/28/2005 11:03:58 Play online chess	just a reminder Message: Anyone saying Fischer isnt the greatest player of all time...remember this little thing: He played 19 straight wins in the candidate matches before the world championship in -72..Imagine ..19 straight wins!! that is not human!!!!
Posted by coyotefan mailcafe.net 12/29/2005 05:02:23 Play online chess	Yes he was great Message: So was OJ Simpson. You want him representing you? How about hiring Robert Blake for your next movie? If you think an anti-semite is welcomed with open arms, ask Mel Gibson how his career has gone lately.
Posted by gunnarsamuelsson mailcafe.net 12/29/2005 15:00:17 Play online chess	correction Message: that was 19 straight wins including a tournament b4 the candidates.. 6 straight wins coming into the candidate matches, then Fisher -Taimanov 6-0 Fischer-Larsen 6-0 ,,then he won the 1st game vs Petrosian =19 straight wins. In the 2nd Petro game he lost then went on to win 6,5-2,5. When he played Spassky, got a little crazy in the beginning ,then composed himself and dispateched him by 12.5-8.5 ..that even though neglecting to show up in the 2nd game he gave Spassky had a 2-0 lead!
Posted by mixmatch mailcafe.net 1/01/2006 02:53:04 Play online chess	Message: I'm sorry coyote, but hating a group of people is not the same as slashing somebody's throat (He was convicted in civil case). If somebody wants to feel/speak a certain way, even if its wrong, they have every right to do so as as long as they do not infringe on another's rights to live, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness(US standard). I am not an anti-semite, but I am anti-political-correctness. In the words of French philosopher Voltaire, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." I personally feel that his eccentricity has absolutely nothing to do with the game of chess. We don't elect the grandmasters of the world to represent the chess community; they arise due to an extraordinary skill.
Posted by coyotefan mailcafe.net 1/02/2006 18:38:56 Play online chess	mixmatch Message: "hating a group of people is not the same as slashing somebody's throat" True, but you missed the point. The point is, if you are an advertisor, would you want your porduct/service associated with Fischer. He cannot make a lot of money if nobody will put up the money. As I said earlier, Mel Gibson was a great actor, but since his "Passion" you do not see him anymore. No major studio wants to be assocated with him. He did not kill anyone either. If Fischer wants one last stand, he will have to pay his entry fees and win tourneys just like you and I can.
Posted by wschmidt mailcafe.net 1/03/2006 13:25:37 Play online chess	Coyotefans' observation Message: about advertisers being sensitive to controversy is certainly true. However, I don't doubt that there are any number of rich individual chess fans who would spring for a large enough prize fund. Fischer's anti-Semetic, anti-US predilictions were already well-known when the second Fischer-Spassky match was held and there was money raised back then. His antics then and thereafter only corroborated was was already evident. Mel Gibson isn't a particularly good example of what you're trying to show, however, Coyote. A quick Google search shows that ABC has him directing a TV film about the holocaust. In addition, he's directing an adventure-type film in Mexico based on an script about the decline of Mayan culture.
Posted by coyotefan mailcafe.net 1/04/2006 00:37:58 Play online chess	wschmidt Message: Do that same Google search and see the difference in his career pre and post "Passion". He was a top 5 box office actor for how many straight years before, making over $50,000,00 a movie........ and in the toilet ever since. Correct? Just a coincindence that now he is behind the camera for a made-for-TV movie?
Posted by wschmidt mailcafe.net 1/04/2006 13:01:50 Play online chess	Well, this is painfully off-topic, Message: (and I can't believe I'm taking the Mel Gibson's side in this!) but we must have different Googles. Forbes has him as #3 in their 2005 Top 100 Celebrity list, down from #1 last year. Four months ago, Entertainment Weekly described him as the most powerful man in Hollywood: "'Gibson's religious film made more than $610 million and prompted international debates, making it one of the greatest "power plays" in Hollywood history'" With annual Easter reissues, the expectation is that it will easily gross over a billion and could surpass "Titanic's" $1.8 billion. I think Gibson's age, the desire to be behind the camera and to have artistic control have more to do with his decision-making than any blow-back from the anti-Semetic controversy. What follows is from a July, '05 rewrite of a Daily Variety story on the new Mayan flick, "Apocolypto": "the latest epic that will be fully financed by Gibson's Icon Productions - Hollywood's hottest production property following the runaway success of "Passion". The stunning success and profits produced by the film instantly made Gibson very wealthy and powerful in movie circles, giving him a new influence that Variety compared to that of "Star Wars" creator George Lucas. "By financing the new picture exclusively through Icon Productions, Gibson maintains full control of the project. "Walt Disney Co won the competition to distribute "Apocolypto" - which is a Greek term meaning "an unveiling" or "new beginning" - in North America, while Icon Productions will circulate it in the rest of the world. Entertainment giant Disney had to agree to stringent distribution terms set by Gibson in order to win the US and Canadian rights for the film, Variety said." All that said, I agree with you that Fischer's anti-Semetic rants and his legal troubles rule out any meaningful corporate sponsership of a match he might agree to. It would have to be sponsered by one or more individuals.
Posted by coyotefan mailcafe.net 1/04/2006 15:30:08 Play online chess	As Fischer has played only one unsanctioned..... Message: match in over 30 years, isn't discussing Fischer off topic when talking chess :)
Posted by coyotefan mailcafe.net 1/09/2006 02:37:53 Play online chess	And Message: As he is banned from USCF, that makes his tournament career an impossibility as well:(
Posted by armeggedon mailcafe.net 1/21/2006 10:12:36 Play online chess	ALSO Message: Having just finished reading Kasparov's 'My Great Predecessors' Part 4 - Fischer. Kasparov believes that Karpov would have been a difficult opponent indeed, however I believe 1n 1975, Fischer was still extremely strong and would probably have retained the title, as if you remember, Karpov only just got past Victor Korchnoi, who Fischer would have beaten far more easier. I think Karpov did not reach his true potential until around 1980.