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Posted by muppyman mailcafe.net 1/04/2006 16:05:10 Play online chess	Subject: Nigel Short's opinion, Message: I was just perusing an interview with GM Nigel Short and noted his reply when asked his opinion on internet chess compared to OTB chess. He said "It is fertile ground for cheating". It seemed a bit cynical from a man who reputedly has played quite a lot of internet chess. I wonder why that would be his only comment on the subject. What about all the good facets? Any thoughts, people?
Posted by bucklehead mailcafe.net 1/04/2006 16:11:06 Play online chess	Isn't it true, though? Message: There's no doubt that internet chess has been a boon--how else could the bulk of us here find a partner for some casual blitz games at the drop of a hat? But the anonymity of the internet combined with its inherent computerization ("They have the internet on computers now?") makes it exactly as Short suggests. But the success of 'net chess speaks for itself. It's become part of the fabric of the game, and there's no turning back the clock.
Posted by brilliance mailcafe.net 1/04/2006 16:42:49 Play online chess	Message: It brings chess to a broader audience, ensuring its survival for a long time. It is fertile ground for teamwork, new friends and happiness for all but those who cheat. Great way to market chess btw. /whine /cry ——— Carlsen Sprints Ahead at King's Tournament — With a little good fortune, Magnus Carlsen is on a tear. Carlsen, the top seed, won his third game in a row at the King’s Chess Tournament in Romania on Sunday. This time, his victim was Ruslan Ponomariov of Ukraine, who was winning for most of the game. But then he blundered (23 Rf2? instead of 23 Kh1) allowing Carlsen to turn the tables. He was also a bit fortunate in Round 5, on Saturday, when he beat Liviu-Dieter Nisipeanu of Romania. In that game, Nisipeanu had a small advantage, but Carlsen employed a nice feint and Nisipeanu took the bait (17 Qd5, he should have played 17 Nd5), after which his position was very difficult. Carlsen, a Norwegian, now has 4.5 points and ...
Posted by daverundle mailcafe.net 1/05/2006 06:00:11 Play online chess	i'm with Message: brilliance on this as always someone always focuses on the negative aspects. What about all the 1,000's of games played by people who are not in a position to attend a chess club on a regular basis, (or be able to swan around the world playing chess), that are played in the true spirit of the game? Since i have joined GK i have met people from all over the world played some really good chess games (which are improving all the time as i get less rusty), and had great fun discussing various issues in the forums/clubs. My questions to Mr Short would be did he ever cheat when he played on the net? Are there no positive aspects about chess on the net that out weigh the one he has highlighted! Get over it Nigel net chess is here to stay!! ——— A Player Steps Up His Game and Wins the National Open — Chess players often talk of the creative aspect of chess — the role of imagination in conceiving strategies. Sometimes the desire to execute an original plan can overwhelm even the desire to win. Mikhail Tal, a former world chess champion, wrote in his autobiography that he had lost more than a few games because he had chosen a “beautiful” combination, only to discover that he had miscalculated. To borrow a baseball metaphor, a grand slam for a chess player would be to play brilliantly, win the game and defeat a strong opponent when there is a lot riding on the outcome. That is what Timur Gareev of Uzbekistan did in the final round of the National Open in Las Vegas last Sunday. He trailed ...
Posted by coyotefan mailcafe.net 1/05/2006 07:18:37 Play online chess	I am sure Short was talking about Message: Tourneys with either a hgh prize fund, or high prestige. For example ICCF gave up even pretending that computers and others did not assist players and now allow it. Muppyman, could you please add thie link to the article? It would be interesting to read the context of the comment. ——— Timur Gareyev wins US National Open — Timur Gareyev, an Uzbek chess grandmaster who attends the University of Texas in Brownsville, won the US National Open last weekend in Las Vegas. Gareyev yielded a first-round draw to IM Joe Bradford of Texas but won his next five games. He was particularly tough on Southern Californians, inflicting defeats on IM Andranik Matikozyan and, in the final round, GM Varuzhan Akobian. Tied for second at 5-1 were Akobian and GMs Arthur Kogan (Israel), Alex Lenderman (New York) and Alejandro Ramirez (Costa Rica). Matikozyan tied for sixth at 41/2-11/2. There were 19 GMs in the 105-player Open section. Two Southern Californians, Danyul Lawrence and 12-year-old Michael W. Brown, shared ...
Posted by chuckventimiglia mailcafe.net 1/05/2006 09:18:00 Play online chess	The ICCF does not allow.... Message: computer usage they just do not mention anywhere in the rules that computer usage is not allowed. So in essence using a computer is not breaking any rules. They allow it by not saying it is not allowed. :-) In fact, the Master and GMs that play with ICCF think computer usage against them is actually a help to them. The notion that Fritz or any program is unbeatable is really a myth. The program that beat Kasparov was not played on a home computer. It was played on a computer that was built specifically for the event and I am sure had many processors. The bottom line is this, today's correspondence chess be it via postal, email or internet brings the game back to many people that for any number of reasons can not get to play OTB. Be it health problems, distances to travel etc. The computer has been both a good thing for chess and a bad thing at the same time. It brings chess to many more people and it also brings the shadow that everyone is cheating which is a bad thing. If people believe that then it is best they do not play because they could never really enjoy the game. I have been playing correspondence chess since the late '50s. I started out with the USCF postal tournaments then in the '90's I started email play with different orgs including the USCF. Then in '97 I retired & purchased my first computer and started play via email. Today I still play some postal chess with the USCF, some email with the USCF and the ICCF. Now I am also a TD for the ICCF on their webserver. Chess is how I pass most of my retired time. I really enjoy it and have met many people and became pretty close friends with some. ——— Carlsen and Radjabov Take the Lead of the Kings Chess Tournament — Three decisive games in Round 4 of the 4th Kings Chess Tournament in Romania rejiggered the standings. Liviu-Dieter Nisipeanu of Romania and Boris Gelfand of Israel, the co-leaders after Round 3, both lost, while Teimour Radjabov of Azerbaijan won his second game in a row and Magnus Carlsen of Norway won his first. They now lead with 2.5 points, a half point ahead of Nisipeanu, Gelfand and Ruslan Ponomariov of Ukraine. Wang Yue of China, the other competitor, sits alone in last place with one point. Two of Thursday’s games began with surprising chess opening choices. Nisipeanu, who was Black against Ponomariov, chose the Blumenfeld Counter Gambit, a chess opening that ...
Posted by muppyman mailcafe.net 1/05/2006 11:14:43 Play online chess	coyotefan, Message: It was on www.chessbase.com, currently about 3 items from the top of the home page. I would appreciate your comments after you have read the article, either here or by pm. Thanks. ——— Bobby Fischer’s Body Ordered to Be Exhumed — Wednesday, Iceland’s Supreme Court ordered that the body of Bobby Fischer, the former chess champion, be disinterred to determine if he is the father of Jinky Young, a 9-year-old Philippines girl, according to a report by Agence France-Presse. Fischer died in January 2008 and was buried in Iceland, his adopted home, in the cemetery of Laugardaelir Church. Since his death, there has been an ongoing fight over his estate involving competing claims by Marilyn Young, Jinky’s mother; Miyoko Watai, the head of the Japanese Chess Association, who said ...
Posted by muppyman mailcafe.net 1/05/2006 11:22:43 Play online chess	daverundle, Message: The comment I quoted was the only comment that was reported in the article, and it seemed like a bolt out of the blue, and somewhat unbecoming of a GM which is why I broached the subject here. I,m sure that at his level he would have no need for concern about computer programmes being used against him. In my opinion the whole article seemed almost to be aimed at putting him in a bad light. If it was, I think he deserves better treatment than that. His achievements have earned him some respect I would have thought.
Posted by sugarandspice mailcafe.net 1/05/2006 14:40:22 Play online chess	muppyman Message: but Nigel has many strange and wondrous opinions out there, I'm sure. It seems like they could have done a better job of putting him in a bad light }8-)
Posted by ccmcacollister mailcafe.net 1/05/2006 14:43:39 Play online chess	Oops, sorry bout that .... Message: thats not sugarandspice comment ... but indeed was mine.
Posted by muppyman mailcafe.net 1/05/2006 15:25:25 Play online chess	craig, Message: Why does that not surprise me? :) Actually Nigel was in New Zealand a couple of weeks ago and played a simul in Christchurch. I am glad I didn't pay for a place and play him.
Posted by ccmcacollister mailcafe.net 1/05/2006 16:37:22 Play online chess	muppyman Message: I was going to point to a sight with some Nigel quotes from British Google ... but my browser can hold only one "copy" at a time, and the ANAGRAMS was much funnier, thus :) .... -> www.anagramgenius.com
Posted by ccmcacollister mailcafe.net 1/05/2006 16:41:26 Play online chess	PS... Message: and not to forget to look under the anagrams there of Nigel David Short :)) And some of the other GM's. Funny stuff :))
Posted by daverundle mailcafe.net 1/06/2006 05:32:34 Play online chess	you are Message: very cynical muppyman are you suggesting that the free press does not report the whole story but rather their version/abbrieviated story? I am shocked that the upholders of freedom & democracy could be regarded with this type of cynicism! But you are almost certainly correct!!!
Posted by futile mailcafe.net 1/06/2006 13:56:32 Play online chess	It IS... Message: ... a fertile ground for cheating...whether anyone actually cheats is neither here nor there, there still exists the possibility, and that is what Mr. Short was getting at.
Posted by i_play_slowly mailcafe.net 1/07/2006 02:13:42 Play online chess	What about all the good facets? Message: I find meaning through my involvement in various cyberspace communities, Gameknot being simply one of them. Through the Internet, I become a member of the global village. Without it, I would simply be a citizen of some cultural backwater/provincial town. Whether people here sometimes cheat me out of points--a purely illusory concept--is entirely incidental.
Posted by hardland mailcafe.net 1/11/2006 20:29:00 Play online chess	Not so much... Message: I'm not too much concern of cheating in internet chess . Maybe because as I'm not a high level player, anyone playind "aided" will be quite noticeable. I suppouse tha for near 2000 Elo and higher the problem will be real. Anyway, I think we must be confident in other people. If we lost some elo points and a pair of matches with some "ill" player... is it really terrible?. I think he damages his more. As far as I know, internet chess is just for fun.
Posted by donf44 mailcafe.net 1/12/2006 19:19:03 Play online chess	When you live in rural Maine, Message: and maybe that is a redundant statement, the opportunities to play chess with even average players is sparse. I did attend a local chess club when my work schedule permitted it where the competition was tough and the atmosphere was friendly. Our club consisted of less than 10 people though. When I brought my sons and their friend, we usually made up half of the club. There has been only one USCF rated tourny locally in many years. Anything else and I would have to drive 1-2 hours if not more and then the tourneys are usually on Saturdays and Sundays which rules me out. GameKnot, USCF Live, and other sites have opened the chance for me to play anytime of the day, any day of the week, any week of the month, and any month of the year. I have no worry about finding players who are more than able to teach me by beating me and I enjoy the interaction during the games. As far as cheating is concerned, I don't worry about it at all. If a GM makes an off of the cuff remark about cheating, that's ok. Take care. don