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| From | Message | Posted by tim_b mailcafe.net
1/09/2007 15:44:24 Play online chess | Subject: GK and real boards.
Message: When I first came on GK, I re-enacted some games on real boards (hi-jacked the dining room table) because I felt and still feel that there is no better way to "read" a game.
Do most people do this? Is it important to see things in 3-D?
Cheers,
Tim.
| Posted by caro-kann mailcafe.net
1/09/2007 15:53:09 Play online chess | Well,
Message: I guess that it may have some sort of effect (personally I don't feel much), but I prefer 2D games, probably because of no interference (i.e the birds-eye view) from other objects blocking my line of sight. It would seem that in OTB 3D games, I need the same bird's eye view as in 2D to perform well
| Posted by ganstaman mailcafe.net
1/09/2007 16:22:35 Play online chess |
Message: I prefer the 2-D look, I believe. Playing so much online and reading books (well, actually I think just 'book') and magazines will get you used to this view.
When I play live, I often stand up and feel I can see the board better that way. By getting over the board like this, I make it seem more 2D than 3D.
Still, changing boards or sets does make the whole position look different. It's probably good in a difficult position where you want to get a different perspective on the board to hopefully get you to see the right move (similar to how I will sometimes merely flip the board around to see it in a whole new light). ——— Fide world chess championship: Topalov takes on Anand — The Bulgarian challenger finished the first game in brutal style. After two games, the score in the Anand-Topalov world championship match is even. Bulgarian Topalov won the first, but Anand struck back in the second. As is often the case, the moves off the board play a role too. Anand's flight to Sofia was cancelled due to the ash cloud, so he was forced to make a 40-hour car journey from Frankfurt. He asked for the first game to be postponed by three days, but the organising committee – which includes Topalov's manager and Bulgaria's PM – rejected the request. The match only started after the International Chess Federation insisted on a compromise of one ...
Posted by bucklehead mailcafe.net
1/10/2007 06:58:24 Play online chess | We're geezers...
Message: The first thing that occurred to me when I read this post was to check the ages of the posters...our lead author tim_b is 34 and ganstaman is a sprightly 21. I'd be willing to wager that, the younger the chessplayer, the more likely he/she is to prefer a computer screen (or, at least, profess there's no difference).
These days, I've gotten lazy and started to analyze/move based solely on the 2D display. But since I'm 36, there's really no substitute for a physical board and physical pieces. It's what I grew up on, and making the shift to computer-based chess proved very difficult for me. I still find that my analysis is better if I can sit down and get my hands on the pieces--I have a very nice and heavy plastic set (and floppy mousepad board) for regular analysis, but if things get nasty I pull out my ebony pieces and onyx board. I'd keep the nice set out all the time, except for the fact that I have three small children, the littlest of whom would no doubt attempt to eat the chessmen. All at once, if he can manage it.
For this reason, there is no piece of chess gear I lust after more than the DGT eboard ( -> www.dgtprojects.com ). But as aforementioned, there are kids in the picture, and therefore no disposable income.
Let there be woodpushing! ——— Anand Wins Game 2 to Square Title Match — Viswanathan Anand of India, the reigning world chess champion, beat Veselin Topalov of Bulgaria in Game 2 of their world chess championship match to even the score at 1 point each. Anand had lost the first game after a terrible blunder, but he bounced back with a fine performance on Sunday. The match is a best-of-12 with a prize fund of two million euros (about $2.7 million). Although not a blistering win by Anand, it was efficient and workmanlike. He actually was worse out of the opening but slowly and surely outplayed Topalov, who finally made a couple of errors that allowed Anand to force a winning endgame. The ball is now in Topalov’s court and it will be interesting ...
Posted by wschmidt mailcafe.net
1/10/2007 12:33:57 Play online chess | Well, I'm 57...
Message: and I really never got into chess seriously until the advent of chess engines and on-line play. A large part of the reason was I don't have the kind of chess memory that allows me to quickly reset pieces back to an original position after analyzing a variation. I either had to keep two boards going, have a diagram in a book, or only do a couple of moves into a line. Only when the "back" button could get me back quickly and easily did analysing stop being an exercise in frustration for me.
I still enjoy occasionally setting up a board to read over a game, but only for fun where I don't follow the variations too deeply. Otherwise that old frustration sets in again. ——— Topalov Wins First Game of World Chess Championship Match — Veselin Toplaov of Bulgaria got off to a great start in the world chess championship match as he won Game 1 after Viswanathan Anand of India, the world chess champion, blundered. The game was barely out of the opening stages when Anand erred in a dynamically balanced position. Facing checkmate, he resigned after only 30 moves. It was a startlingly quick and unexpected beginning to a match that many experts have said is too close to call. Anand, who has been world chess champion since 2007, is ranked No. 4 in the world, but has been ranked No. 1. His ranking has slipped recently as he prepared to defend his title. Topalov is ranked No. 2 and was ...
Posted by tim_b mailcafe.net
1/11/2007 13:37:34 Play online chess | Thanks
Message: Thanks for the response, everyone, I am starting to acclimatise to 2-D now and understand the point about an unfettered birds eye view.
LOL, bucklehead ! I know what you mean – “Eek! Time to pull the big guns out!” No kids, but I’ve got a puppy to watch out for and people reclaiming the dining table! ;0)
wschmidt I see what you are saying about the limitations of bringing out the wood, but I can’t analyse deeply like that and replace the pieces faithfully either, it’s difficult to put my finger on it, but I feel there’s something about seeing the real board in 3-D that makes things a bit clearer on occasion.
Cheers,
Tim.
——— Volcanic ash checks Vishy Anand's preparations for world chess championship — Volcanic ash made the first move at the world championship match in Sofia, where Veselin Topalov has the white pieces in game one, starting at 1pm UK time today. All games are live on the internet. Topalov and the titleholder, Vishy Anand, play best-of-12 for a massive Bulgarian government prize fund of €1.2m for the winner, €800,000 for the loser. Anand was trapped by travel chaos at Frankfurt last Saturday and had to take a 40-hour car journey, extended due to visa problems, to the Sofia Hilton. After the tired Indian appealed for a three-day postponement, which the Bulgarian organisers brusquely rejected, the World Chess Federation (Fide) ruled a compromise ...
Posted by bunta mailcafe.net
1/14/2007 00:53:08 Play online chess | I know a guy
Message: I know a guy, one of my mates who plays so much playchess that when it comes to over the board games he stands up to try and get the 2D view and calculates from there. So 3D view seems a little bit wierd for him lol. Quite funny really, I'm trying to get used to both. I think everyone should, as it helps in all ways especially when your playing. ——— Indian chess champ braves volcano chaos — World chess champion Viswanathan Anand will square off against his Bulgarian challenger Veselin Topalov in Sofia Saturday in a marathon final starting a day late due to Europe's volcano crisis. Anand will take his seat for the first of 12 games after having had to travel by road from Frankfurt airport after being stranded there by the shutdown of Europe's airspace because of volcanic ash from Iceland. The 40-year old chess grandmaster finally made it to the Bulgarian capital by bus on Tuesday, four days later than planned. The international chess federation FIDE agreed to a one-day delay to the match, less than the three days Anand had sought but hopefully ...
Posted by kansaspatzer mailcafe.net
1/14/2007 23:15:29 Play online chess |
Message: I see on 3D much better, but I'm playing 40 games at once, I don't have time to set them all up.
| Posted by doctor_knight mailcafe.net
1/20/2007 09:33:18 Play online chess |
Message: I like both. But if you are an over the board player, you have to get used to the real board. If all you ever look at is a 2d board, when you finally play on a real board, you will very likely make mistakes because you are not used to the board. I have made a number of pathetic mistakes because I found it difficult to visualize the position on certain boards that I was not used to. Even the tournament boards caused errors for me at first (of course that's not the only reason for the mistakes but had a lot to do with some of the more obvious blunders). I don't play out my gameknot games on a 3d board, but I think it is good to go to the club at least once a weak and not necesarily just play games but do a lot of study and analysis with your friends on the tournament board. That way you get used to seeing a position on the real board. Now the tournament board is the best board for me to use I think. Especially with those nice heavy weight pieces that my friend has.
| Posted by wote mailcafe.net
1/20/2007 11:29:40 Play online chess | yes
Message: I think it's a good idea to see the game in 3D as you call it.Especially if you’re an over the board player, like in a club. I don’t always do this for GameKnot, but you should always do it when playing against your computer. It give you the same advantage, that the computer has. – being able to move the men around and look at possibilities. But ultimately you should be able to see the moves in your mind without any help of any kind. Play lots practise!!
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