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Bangiev's Squares Method
I am ponderously moving through vol. I of the series and would very much enjoy discussing it with someone who has worked through the method and is conversant with it. Maybe if there is sufficient interest we could have a GK B Method study group. Thanks in advance.
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I have all 3 Vol. of.....
Bangiev's Squares. I can not even begin to understand
what he is talking about. I have shown friends and they
can not figure it out either.
I am sorry I bought all 3 volumes. Maybe if you can
show me how to get started I will give it another
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I'm still working thru, 'Properties of Three Dimensional Superposed Fractal Speckles In Chess' by Mendel . . .
PS/ Do we get a clue ? :))
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Seriously, I bought those...
CDs thinking I would have a good tool to study.
At least that is how the write up on it sounded.
I cannot figure out what he is talking about or what
he is trying to convey as a learning method.
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When I said that I was moving through it ponderously maybe I should have said I was moving through the ponderous material! I agree it is not edited in a user friendly manner at all. I believe that I am understanding the basic concepts but it is very unclear to me to what extent the method addresses the spectrum of chess from opening to end game (I hear some people actually get there!). I have a friend who had an OTB masters rating reviewing Vol I to give his take. Very briefly what I understand so far is that for each move you need to decide the answer to several questions: the strategic question (which is e4, d4, e5, d5), the direction question (is movement to occur toward the K or Q side), and the color question (are you targeting white or black squares for occupation or to eliminate the pieces that guard them). You may guess correctly that I dont feel very confident in my understanding of the color question. In order to answer these questions, you must decide if you are planning to attack the K or go for an endgame as your strategy will be quite different. Then it is necessary to see which of the opponents material is threatening your material and is your strategic area (the triangle of squares with tip at one of the four strategic squares noted above) well developed and protected. Then you select canditate moves (good possibilities) and from those select the best which is your game move. I have many questions about where and when these concepts apply in a game. I find now that if the middle game gets spread all over the board it is nearly impossible for me to apply the concepts but Im willing to admit thats probably because I dont understand it sufficiently. That leads to my primary gripe about the method which is that it is presented in a far more complicated manner than I think is necessary with often vague and confusing use of English. What do I like about it? It is very attractive as a novice player to believe that there is a system that trains one to think like a GM so that the game doesnt take decades to learn and memorization of myriad openings and counters isnt necessary. To me, that make is worth wading through the new language, the imprecise use of English, and the frequently very non-intuitive moves made in games. I hope some of this is helpful - I still want to learn it. :)
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Thanks but I think you are.....
in the same predicament that I am in. All well and good
for the first few moves but then after that I get completely
lost as to what he is even talking about.
I am sorry I bought the CDs. Very difficult for me to
understand what he is trying to say.
As you so well put it, he is probably making what he is trying to say
a lot more complicated then he should.
As it stands I believe you have to be a GM to understand what he
is trying to say.
I have had 2 local Masters look at it and they laughed!!
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It is sounding like the last laugh will be had by the Chessbase company that sells the media!
I really appreciate your comments - you guys are much more advanced players than me and I respect your thoughts.
On the bright side of things (at least for me - you probably learned this a while back) if I go through a process minimally of attending to what is going on prior to each play maybe I will cut down on the number of blunders I make!
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Yes, any kind of study benefits...
you. I have many CDs by Chessbase. Mostly opening CDS
and I have liked them a lot. I have 1 CD by Bangiev on
the King's Gambit and I thought it was well done.
So when I read the write up on that Squares method I thought
I should have them. I was wrong, wrong, wrong!! :-)
I do not recommend them to anyone.
If there is someone out there that has them and understands
them please send me a note. If not they will eventually make it to
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I remember reading a
very critical review of this program - I think it was at Chesscafe.com. If you do a Google search, you'll find a number of reviews and discussions about it, some more positive than others but all acknowledging that the material was, indeed, "ponderous".
girevikdavid, if you decide to forgo this "system" and look for another one that purports to train one to think like a GM, a very popular and apparently much better organized one is the Silman trilogy, "The Amatuer's Mind", "How to Reassess Your Chess", and "The How to Reassess Your Chess Workbook". Lots of folks swear by them. An older classic is by Horowitz, "Point-Count Chess".
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