♡ 33 ( +1 | -1 ) Man Vs. MachineDeep Junior will not have the easy life his "brother in arms" Fritz had againts Kramnik. If Kasparov continues like that he could probably break the oldest record in chess history, that of both Steinitz and Lasker, who held the title of world champion for 21 consecutive years.
♡ 37 ( +1 | -1 ) desertfoxNot sure what you mean--Steinitz only held the title for 8 years, and Lasker held it for 27--but Kasparov lost his title quite awhile ago, depending on who you ask (FIDE would say as long ago as 1997, whereas PCA/Braingames would say 2000). So Kasparov will have to win the title back and then hold it until 2031 in order to break Lasker's record.
♡ 26 ( +1 | -1 ) SorryFIDE stripped Kasparov of his title in 1993 when he broke from FIDE and arranged a match with Short (and Karpov became the FIDE world champion). 1997 was the first knockout tournament championship, which ended disastrously.
♡ 21 ( +1 | -1 ) Junior played terriblyI was amazed. It seems Junior has a flaw in its positional understanding schemes which Kasparov capitalized on...and will continue to do so. No wonder he has been upbeat about this match. I want to see him play Fritz!
♡ 21 ( +1 | -1 ) I agree rebrasIt felt to me as though there was some kind of bug in the way it was evaluating knights and knight outposts. And I do wonder why Deep Junior spent so long on considering 9... e5 which is just a book move. Very strange...
♡ 72 ( +1 | -1 ) ArtfixI checked again, Steinitz was world champion from 1866 to 1894 (28 years) and lost the title to Lasker who was champion from 1894 till 1921 (27 years). So Steinitz must be considerd as the record holder. As for Kasparov he did not break the record as you mentioned, but must be considered as the best chess player ever, taking into consideration that his opponents know more about chess than the contemporaries of his predecessors (who had no deep junior or deep fritz to analyze adjourned games). For those of you who think Fritz is better than Junior - in the last time the two machines played Junior won. So wait until the end of this man vs. machine match before making a final opinion.
♡ 50 ( +1 | -1 ) ..."So Steinitz must be considerd as the record holder. As for Kasparov he did not break the record as you mentioned, but must be considered as the best chess player ever, taking into consideration that his opponents know more about chess than the contemporaries of his predecessors (who had no deep junior or deep fritz to analyze adjourned games)."
Not so many adjourned games nowadays :-) I suppose GMs mostly use progs to analyze openings - especially critical, complex variations where tactics is important.
♡ 3 ( +1 | -1 ) Not to forgetDatabases, opening trees etc.
♡ 13 ( +1 | -1 ) My opinionOn the Junior-Ca$h match was based upon what I picked up on during THAT GAME! I know what I saw...so I favor Fritz!!
♡ 125 ( +1 | -1 ) "Of course, modern computers such as Deep Fritz don't come up with such intricate plans. Computers still place a hefty value on material in relation to other factors, and Fritz in all probability evaluated its advantage after 25. h4 to be about a pawn up, since there was no immediate draw (the kings can run around for a long time). It probably didn't realize that there was no way for White to convert his pawn plus. Fritz can't come up with 'plans' of 'exploiting weaknesses', etc. I haven't tested the position with various versions of Fritz, but I would expect that most Fritz engines evaluate White as winning after 25. h4 (even though it is obviously drawn to any human player)."
This was written in this forum by atrifix after the first game of the recent Deep Fritz-Kramnik match. We all were astonished by the bad understanding of positional issues that DF showed. Anyway the engine draw that match in the end so...
To my eyes the most remarkable thing of the first game of the current match is how players spent their time. Kaspy showed to be very self confident (or an insane risk taker!).
♡ 9 ( +1 | -1 ) SteintzTechnicly Steintz got the title in 1888 not 1866 which would make it 6 years.
♡ 49 ( +1 | -1 ) Steinitzdefeated Anderssen in a match in 1866 (+8-6=0), and then claimed that this was the beginning of his world championship, but there was no indication prior to the match that the title would be at stake. In 1886, Steinitz arranged an official world championship match with Zukertort, which he won handily (+10-5=5). So while I suppose you could consider that Steinitz claimed the title in 1866, but most would agree on 1886 after his match with Zukertort as the start of his reign.
♡ 25 ( +1 | -1 ) Chess RecordsHere is a neat website www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/records/records.htm#greatest%20number%20of%20castlings